I'm quoted on SomethingAwful.com!
Sep. 2nd, 2004 10:19 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
pyesetzThere's a thread
on SomethingAwful.com where they make fun of furries who have
offspring. Many of their posts quote from my Sozont story.
I'd like to reply to them, but I refuse to pay $9.95 for the right to
post at their website, so I'll just put the comments here.
> [A quoted paragraph from my![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
furryparents post]
WTF?
Seriously. WTF? [A quoted sentence from episode
#1]
Please try harder, aliensex. I understand that this story doesn't match your cardboard-cutout mental picture of Furries, but if you ever intend to get anywhere in your life, you need to try harder to understand how your fellow humans think--yes, even the Furry ones.
> [Same post quote] Fun for the whole family.
Well, no, Shii. Sozont is rated NC-17. We're talking about "furry parents" here, not "furry families". But your confusion is understandable, since it seems your mental age is still at the level of "dead baby" jokes and you cannot wrap your head around the idea of ever becoming a parent yourself.
> [The story has other objectionable elements as well: M/M, M/F...] If you look away from the fact that it's a furry story we're talking about here: When did old fasioned male/female sex become objectionable? Or am I just misinterpreting the acronyms here?
In this case, ymgve, you can't look away from the fact that it's furry. Many furs are gay and might object to a story about straight furs.
> The acronyms are advertisements more than they are warnings.
Correct, IMJack! While some would object to M/F, furry parents would be expected to like that sort of thing.
> According to this guy, lesbian sex is the only non-obectionable form of sex.
No, it's just the only kind of sex that doesn't appear in the story yet, although Marth admits to being an active lesbian in #22.
> [#5 quoted in entirety, no comment]
Yeah, that's a good episode for trolls! Too bad it's the last funny episode in the story (why does Sozont have to eat *Bambi*?). I had hoped to continue the humor further, but the story acquired a mind of its own and went in a different direction.
> [holodeck-style Furry World] Is this the missing link between trekkies and furries?
Gee, nerdfish, you think maybe so? Is the lightbulb in your head starting to glow just a little? BTW, the holodeck stuff doesn't show up until episode #7. It doesn't seem that any goon was able to read that far.
> what the fuck does he meain by intrusive politics?
How nice of you to ask! See #18, #20, and #23. Just some RL politics I felt like throwing in, which intrudes on the furry story.
Okay, now for the really bad stuff:
> furries wish they were born as animals with knotted dicks
All SA'ers wish they were throwaway characters on Beavis & Butthead.
> I understand that you're a monsterously depressed individual unable to interact without a social, mental, and often physical mask to hide behind; you need professional help, now
Yes indeeed, IRQ, it's clear that you understand what your problem really is. So when will you start counseling?
> "Hi kids...daddy has a special need to put on an animal suit and have random sex with strangers. Of course, this may sound strange to you/your friends/the known world but I do it to express my individuality/sexuality/weirdness. If any of your friends make fun of you, tell them that you don't need friends that make fun of your parents."
So, Sventek, what exactly is wrong with this scenario? And why do you mention it? It isn't *my* secret desire--is it yours?
> I mean they're actually, truly, undoubtedly doing harm to children.
Not as much as you, Exilechamp. SA is an "attractive nuisance", corrupting unsuspecting nerdy youths who accidentally come across it on the web.
> I wonder if there is a license to hunt furries.... I'm not trying to be funny, I really want these sick fucks OFF my planet
So, Golobulus, would it make you proud to grow up to be a murderer? Killing people is immoral, even if they're wearing fursuits.
> I think now is the time we implement the final solution to the furry problem.
All SA'ers are Nazis and should be placed in concentration camps.
> someone put this fur-hole in a fur-nace like a bunch of unwanted Jewish kittens at the SPCA.
You are going straight to hell, Nazi scum. And you already know that, don't you? It's interesting that all mass murderers begin by torturing kittens.
Okay, six days later and the goons are still at it, adding more posts to their thread. What a bunch of obsessos! Tobu was my tool and mentioned this journal entry there, so some goons stopped by to post comments here. It seems that the goons who are still interested in this topic are very shy; most of them posted anonymously and most of their comments were of no redeeming social value, so I deleted them and disabled anonymous comments for now. If you've got something to say here, put your name on it or hold it in until next week.
> Oh no, replying with immature generalisations? Pot, kettle, black, grease stain in a fursuit...
Perhaps NMR understands what I was trying to say in this post. I merely substituted "goon" for "furry" in the same generalizations that SA'ers were making. If that hurts, you're just as hypersensitive as the ones you're making fun of.
> [All SA'ers wish they were throwaway characters on Beavis & Butthead] Awesome!
If NMR is admitting here that that he really *would* like to be a throwaway B&B char, he is exempt from my "Nazi scum" generalization because he is willing to look at himself.
> that is on a whole new level of furry dumbfuckery
I guess I'll take that as a compliment. I have invented a whole new level of something? Go me!
> Animals dont get off on sex
Um, what planet are you from, Serious Spam? Do you have any idea how many times a day a male chicken has sex with female chickens? Do you think he feels like a robot while he's "doing it"?
> Now stop being so damn funny, I have to get some work done today!
Oh, all right. Sheesh! What a killjoy.
> [A quoted paragraph from my
furryparents post]
WTF?
Seriously. WTF? [A quoted sentence from episode
#1]Please try harder, aliensex. I understand that this story doesn't match your cardboard-cutout mental picture of Furries, but if you ever intend to get anywhere in your life, you need to try harder to understand how your fellow humans think--yes, even the Furry ones.
> [Same post quote] Fun for the whole family.
Well, no, Shii. Sozont is rated NC-17. We're talking about "furry parents" here, not "furry families". But your confusion is understandable, since it seems your mental age is still at the level of "dead baby" jokes and you cannot wrap your head around the idea of ever becoming a parent yourself.
> [The story has other objectionable elements as well: M/M, M/F...] If you look away from the fact that it's a furry story we're talking about here: When did old fasioned male/female sex become objectionable? Or am I just misinterpreting the acronyms here?
In this case, ymgve, you can't look away from the fact that it's furry. Many furs are gay and might object to a story about straight furs.
> The acronyms are advertisements more than they are warnings.
Correct, IMJack! While some would object to M/F, furry parents would be expected to like that sort of thing.
> According to this guy, lesbian sex is the only non-obectionable form of sex.
No, it's just the only kind of sex that doesn't appear in the story yet, although Marth admits to being an active lesbian in #22.
> [#5 quoted in entirety, no comment]
Yeah, that's a good episode for trolls! Too bad it's the last funny episode in the story (why does Sozont have to eat *Bambi*?). I had hoped to continue the humor further, but the story acquired a mind of its own and went in a different direction.
> [holodeck-style Furry World] Is this the missing link between trekkies and furries?
Gee, nerdfish, you think maybe so? Is the lightbulb in your head starting to glow just a little? BTW, the holodeck stuff doesn't show up until episode #7. It doesn't seem that any goon was able to read that far.
> what the fuck does he meain by intrusive politics?
How nice of you to ask! See #18, #20, and #23. Just some RL politics I felt like throwing in, which intrudes on the furry story.
Okay, now for the really bad stuff:
> furries wish they were born as animals with knotted dicks
All SA'ers wish they were throwaway characters on Beavis & Butthead.
> I understand that you're a monsterously depressed individual unable to interact without a social, mental, and often physical mask to hide behind; you need professional help, now
Yes indeeed, IRQ, it's clear that you understand what your problem really is. So when will you start counseling?
> "Hi kids...daddy has a special need to put on an animal suit and have random sex with strangers. Of course, this may sound strange to you/your friends/the known world but I do it to express my individuality/sexuality/weirdness. If any of your friends make fun of you, tell them that you don't need friends that make fun of your parents."
So, Sventek, what exactly is wrong with this scenario? And why do you mention it? It isn't *my* secret desire--is it yours?
> I mean they're actually, truly, undoubtedly doing harm to children.
Not as much as you, Exilechamp. SA is an "attractive nuisance", corrupting unsuspecting nerdy youths who accidentally come across it on the web.
> I wonder if there is a license to hunt furries.... I'm not trying to be funny, I really want these sick fucks OFF my planet
So, Golobulus, would it make you proud to grow up to be a murderer? Killing people is immoral, even if they're wearing fursuits.
> I think now is the time we implement the final solution to the furry problem.
All SA'ers are Nazis and should be placed in concentration camps.
> someone put this fur-hole in a fur-nace like a bunch of unwanted Jewish kittens at the SPCA.
You are going straight to hell, Nazi scum. And you already know that, don't you? It's interesting that all mass murderers begin by torturing kittens.
Okay, six days later and the goons are still at it, adding more posts to their thread. What a bunch of obsessos! Tobu was my tool and mentioned this journal entry there, so some goons stopped by to post comments here. It seems that the goons who are still interested in this topic are very shy; most of them posted anonymously and most of their comments were of no redeeming social value, so I deleted them and disabled anonymous comments for now. If you've got something to say here, put your name on it or hold it in until next week.
> Oh no, replying with immature generalisations? Pot, kettle, black, grease stain in a fursuit...
Perhaps NMR understands what I was trying to say in this post. I merely substituted "goon" for "furry" in the same generalizations that SA'ers were making. If that hurts, you're just as hypersensitive as the ones you're making fun of.
> [All SA'ers wish they were throwaway characters on Beavis & Butthead] Awesome!
If NMR is admitting here that that he really *would* like to be a throwaway B&B char, he is exempt from my "Nazi scum" generalization because he is willing to look at himself.
> that is on a whole new level of furry dumbfuckery
I guess I'll take that as a compliment. I have invented a whole new level of something? Go me!
> Animals dont get off on sex
Um, what planet are you from, Serious Spam? Do you have any idea how many times a day a male chicken has sex with female chickens? Do you think he feels like a robot while he's "doing it"?
> Now stop being so damn funny, I have to get some work done today!
Oh, all right. Sheesh! What a killjoy.
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Date: 2004-09-10 09:54 pm (UTC)I shall attempt to remember that. I use he only because it is the gender neutral pronoun in our society(we really should have a true gender neutral pronoun) and because I refuse to use he/she (I'm lazy).
Furries strive to let their Inner Animal out. The human Inner Animal is very protective of the offspring of other members of its village.
Be careful where you go with this. While it's a beautiful ideal, it's also a dangerous one. Someone could just decide to start showing up. When I say to be careful of anonymous gathering I am not basing that on Furs. I am basing it on the fact that it is an anonymous gathering of adults whom could be from anywhere and of any belief. I would say the same to a gathering of any other group. Some groups attract these more than others. Since Furries have a reputation in the public eye as being sexual deviants, as they grow more mainstream if they keep this connotation they could easily become one of these groups.
if only one in a million Americans is a pedophile
There are more. A great deal more. And certain things are more likely to bring them out than others. Like anonymous internet gatherings where there will be children.
I am not aware of an LJ bandwidth limit
I do believe that it required the owner of the journal to contact LJ. I say this because when you visited the journal it asked the owner of it to do so. (Since there was nothing offensive on the board, I assume it was a bandwidth issue)
Why do you say "I hate to double-post"
That was just a polite thing to say.
My understanding is that claviarm is a Furry whom you know quite well, so you can pre-check any statement you might make about "the Furries"
My statements were about furries in general. No one is exactly alike. Claviarm will be the first to tell you that Furs often take themselves too seriously.
same argumentative tactics that get furs all steamed up work just as well against their tormentors.
It's still neither healthy nor morally correct.
Why?
No, because of a unique situation I would prefer not to go into. But experience is a poor judgment of who is qualified to give advice. Every child is different because they are people not generic objects. (far too much of American society considers them to be objects)
You have no Constitutionally-guaranteed right to express an opinion based on hearsay in the journal of someone who actually knows about the subject.
I never said I was entitled to express anything. I did express an opinion and then explained to you that I was stating my opinion rather than offering advice when asked. It is an opinion based on facts which are then interpreted by me. An "educated" opinion, if you will. I place a lot of emphasis on the societal perception of the lifestyle and the way it will affect any child who lives such a way. You place more emphasis on the lifestyle as you have experienced it. In the end it doesn't matter because neither of us are children being exposed to the furry lifestyle and it is their opinion that matters most.
In the end, I just feel that children should not be exposed to any lifestyle at all. I think if they come to an adult with questions, those questions should be answered as honestly as possible. (Unlike most people, I also consider heterosexuality a lifestyle)
But you mean well
I do. :)
There are many subgroups in Furry. One group, the fur-fetishists, is indeed a sexual deviance.
In truth, most people have a sexual "deviance." It is a natural extension of our individuality.
who aren't in either of these groups and don't feel they deserve to be tarred with the same brush.
But they are. It isn't right, but it is how it is. I am fully aware there are different groups, a good look at ALF will tell you that. But as far as most are concerned you are all fur-suiting freaks who should have their children taken away. (Just as all nudists are sexual deviants who should have their children taken away because they must be pedophiles...even though if a nudist were a pedophile it would be even more obvious than a non-nudist pedophile. And in fact they have more to fear from outsiders than each other.)
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Date: 2004-09-10 10:24 pm (UTC)The proponents of the police-state have been saying for years (centuries even) that there's a pedophile under every rock, but very few have ever been found. Most pedophilia news stories are either entrapment cases or parents who took non-sexual naked photos of their own children.
a unique situation I would prefer not to go into
As you wish, although you are posting here under an assumed name and can discuss things that IRL would be too hard to say. I originally created this "Pyesetz" moniker so I could talk about my Canadian-immigration difficulties; IRL it seemed too dangerous to admit that I wanted to leave, considering Bush's "You're either with us or you're a terrorist" comments.
a good look at ALF
So you've looked at ALF? What do you think of Dan Skunk's article on the Feral convention? Of the various things he did there, the only one that really interests me is the "predator-prey" game. I'm not sure why it seems to be an ironclad requirement that all Furry con-trip reports must mention taking a shower, but I did it too in my report.
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Date: 2004-09-10 10:55 pm (UTC)I skip over most things written about con experiences no matter what the con. They usually involve what the person saw or did and at least some of the obligatory statements about what a hassle getting to the con was, how hard it was to find people, how much was going on and how overwhelming it was, and how tired they were afterward. While all of these are generally true, it just gets old reading them after a while.
And since I shan't become a friend of FurryParents, I shall post here that I think it was inappropriate for Sozont to ask about STDs only after the lame sex scene. By Western standards you should have either had him ask responsibly before hand or, better yet, ignored the subject entirely. Also, I fail to see why you would have expected the simple and rather natural act of one animal eating another to take flames...then again many of those "nice" furring communities think it trolling when someone presents a different opinion than themselves. I did enjoy the bit about "Furry Fairytale Land."
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Date: 2004-09-12 08:10 am (UTC)Of course it was inappropriate for Sozont to mention AIDS after having sex! It's supposed to be a J-O-K-E! The chapter is entitled "A Furry Parody". Sozont *always* does the wrong thing! Besides, it adds a note of realism, since IRL these things are often not discussed until too late, to avoid finding out something that might cause having sex to seem like not a good idea (you can't expect rational behavior from someone who decides to go to bed with an echidna within minutes of first meeting).
I'm glad to hear you liked "Furry Fairytale Land". It was introduced as a silly name for where Sozont and Spike are located in episode #4, but it acquires a completely different meaning in #7 and following episodes. Storyline consistency? Who needs that?